About This Episode
In this episode of Reimagining Company Culture, we’re chatting with Deborah Levine, A Forbes Top Diversity & Inclusion Trailblazer & Editor of The American Diversity Report, Award Winning Author. Deborah has 33 years experience in speaking, consulting, and coaching around cultural diversity. Tune in to learn Deborah’s thoughts on the matrix model management system, incorporating storytelling in the workplace, a "must have" for the next generation of leaders, and more!
About The Guest
A Forbes Top Diversity & Inclusion Trailblazer, Deborah is a Harvard-educated Diversity Futurist. She has 33 years experience in speaking, consulting, and coaching around cultural diversity. Her clients include healthcare organizations, universities, professional associations, and international industries. Born in Brooklyn with an Eastern European immigrant legacy, she was brought up in Bermuda. Deborah has lived, worked, and studied across the US, acquiring advanced degrees in cultural anthropology, religion, and urban planning. She's a pioneer by nature: was an IT manager (1980s) and founded multiple visionary projects: DuPage Interfaith Resource Network, Woman's Council on Diversity, Youth Multicultural Video Contest, and Global Leadersip Class. Headquartered in TN, she's coached international executives from Nissan, Volkswagen, Siemens, and International Paper to adapt to Southern culture. An award-winning author of 15 books, Deborah founded and has edited AmericanDiversityReport.com for 15 years. She invented the Matrix Model Management System, a cognitive technology for cross-cultural communication and implicit bias training based on cultural anthropology and urban planning. Her articles on cultural diversity are published in The Huffington Post, Harvard Divinity School Bulletin, The Christian Century, The Bermuda Magazine, The Journal of Public Management & Social Policy. She's currently an opinion columnist at The Chattanooga Times Free Press. Her expertise in management reflects her time as director of Jewish Federations and as Tulsa Federation’s community/media liaison shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing. A Holocaust educator, her memoir includes her father's WW II letters (US military intelligence officer trained at the secret Fort Ritchie and assigned to interrogate Nazi prisoners of war). She led the Media Team of Chattanooga’s Council Against Hate and developed a virtual Black-Jewish Dialogue that has gone global. Her interactive, storytelling-based methodology is designed to educate and engage diverse groups, promote inclusion, and improve emotional intelligence in decision making. Her education clients include: New York U., TN & AL Medical colleges, National Assoc. of Veterinarian Universities, TN, OK, & IL Public Schools, AL Fulbright Fellows, U. of TN at Chattanooga. Her recent workbook on Amazon: Un-bias Guide for Leaders can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Bias-Guide-Leaders-Unconscious-Conscious/dp/1720853878/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Episode Breakdown

Deborah Levine, a Forbes Top Diversity and Inclusion Trailblazer and editor of the American Diversity Report, has spent more than three decades teaching organizations how to use story as an instrument of inclusion. Her work spans healthcare, universities, and global manufacturers, and the through line is that stories shape decisions long before policy does. The conversation focused on how HR leaders can put storytelling at the center of how they teach, recruit, and lead.

Stories are how humans make sense of difference. A statistic about representation lands abstractly. A first person account of what it felt like to be the only person who looked a certain way in a meeting lands in the body. The most consequential diversity work happens when leaders learn to tell, and listen to, stories with intention rather than improvisation.

HR leaders should think about storytelling as a competency to develop rather than a flourish to add. The teams that master it tend to also be the teams that act on bias more quickly and recover from missteps more credibly.

Why story is a tool for inclusion, not decoration

A well chosen story does three things at once. It builds empathy, it rewires assumptions, and it makes abstract values concrete. HBR research on storytelling at work shows that employees who hear leaders connect company purpose to lived examples are more likely to see their own contribution as meaningful.

Story is also how culture survives change. Policies get rewritten. Org charts get redrawn. The stories employees tell each other about what happened, who was treated fairly, and who was not, persist through every reorganization. HR leaders who shape that narrative thoughtfully shape culture itself. Deborah's matrix model approach is a reminder that the way a story is framed determines who feels included by it.

This is not the same as scripting talking points. Intentional storytelling depends on truth and specificity. AllVoices supports that practice through a DEI solution that helps teams collect signals worth telling stories about, and a survey product that uncovers themes employees can recognize.

Building a storytelling practice

Where do you find the right stories?

The right stories live in stay interviews, ERG meetings, exit conversations, and the after-action notes from incidents that did not go well. They rarely live in the highlights reel a marketing team would assemble. The work of an inclusive HR team is to listen for them, ask permission to share, and present them with context.

The bar for sharing is consent and relevance. Without consent, a story becomes extraction. Without relevance, it becomes performance. Both lower trust.

How do you avoid token storytelling?

Token storytelling reduces a person to a single trait. The fix is to tell more than one story, from more than one perspective, about more than one dimension of identity. Inclusion requires breadth as well as depth.

The second fix is to invite the storyteller into the framing. The person whose experience is being shared should help decide what gets emphasized and what stays private. That single move converts a presentation into a partnership.

What actually works

Train leaders to tell three kinds of stories

Leaders should be able to tell origin stories that explain how the company came to value what it values, friction stories that name a moment the company fell short, and direction stories that describe where the company intends to go. HBR research on the types of stories leaders need to tell outlines a similar framework that translates well to people work.

Each kind has a different function. Origin stories build identity. Friction stories build credibility. Direction stories build commitment. A leader who only tells one kind tends to lose audiences over time.

Use story to surface and disrupt bias

Bias hides in plain sight. The fastest way to expose it is a specific story that contradicts the assumption. A short narrative from someone who was passed over for a stretch assignment because their manager did not see the potential, told with care and consent, can move a leadership team further than any training deck. Pair the story with a discussion of unconscious bias patterns to give the moment a frame.

According to SHRM guidance on mitigating unconscious bias, sustained behavior change requires repeated exposure to counter examples. Stories are the most efficient form of that exposure.

Make stories part of how decisions are documented

Performance calibration sessions, promotion rounds, and incident reviews all benefit from narrative as well as data. A two sentence story about how an employee handled a conflict tells calibrators something a 1 to 5 rating cannot. Emotional intelligence shows up in those details.

The discipline is to keep the stories consistent in form. A short situation, a behavior, an impact. Anything longer becomes hagiography. Anything shorter loses the point.

Where Employee Relations Fits

Stories of inequity often surface through reports and concerns rather than through pulse surveys. AllVoices ties listening to action through an employee relations function that captures intake at the moment it happens and an anonymous reporting tool that lowers the cost for employees to share what they have seen or experienced.

Pattern recognition across reports

One employee story is a story. Five stories with similar contours are a pattern. ER teams that read across cases catch systemic bias sooner. The blog on where DEI goes next covers what that connection looks like in practice.

Frequently Asked Questions About Storytelling for Inclusion

Is storytelling a substitute for data?

No. Stories and data work together. Data shows the scope of an issue. Stories show the texture. Use both in any leadership presentation worth attending.

How do you protect storytellers from backlash?

Get explicit consent for what is shared and where, anonymize when requested, and have a follow up plan for the storyteller. The relationship after the share matters more than the share itself.

What if leaders are uncomfortable telling personal stories?

Start with company stories about mission and customer impact. Build the muscle. Personal stories follow once leaders see that vulnerability builds, rather than reduces, authority.

How often should you refresh the stock of stories?Quarterly. Stories that get repeated too often start to sound like marketing. New material keeps the practice honest.

What is the biggest risk of doing this badly?

Performative storytelling without follow up action. Employees notice immediately when the company tells a story about caring without doing the work that the story implies.

What's the first step for HR leaders who want to put this into practice?

Start with one team and one measurable outcome. Pick a function where the issue shows up sharply and a leader who is willing to model the new practice. Map the current state honestly: what is happening, who feels it, and what would good look like in ninety days. Share that picture with the team, ask them what is missing from your read, and adjust before launching anything formal. The goal of step one is alignment, not activity.

Once the picture is shared, pick two or three changes you can make inside one quarter. Resist the urge to launch a full program. Run the changes, measure the response with simple pulse questions, and report back. The combination of a focused team, a clear measure, and a public commitment to learn is what turns a good idea into a practice that spreads. HR leaders who try to launch everywhere at once usually end up launching nowhere.

Iterate from there. The teams that succeed treat the first cycle as a prototype, not a rollout. They keep what worked, drop what did not, and write down what they learned. By the time the practice expands to the next group, it has been pressure-tested by people who have a stake in seeing it work. That is the unglamorous work of putting any people-strategy idea into practice, and it is also the work that compounds.

The Bottom Line for HR Leaders

Deborah Levine is right that intentional storytelling sits at the center of inclusive practice. The discipline turns abstract values into specific behavior and gives leaders a way to teach without lecturing.

The mandate for HR leaders is to build a small, recurring story practice and integrate it into the moments where decisions get made. Promotion rounds, calibration sessions, leadership offsites, and ER reviews all benefit. A culture that knows its own stories, including the hard ones, is a culture that can change without losing itself.

See how AllVoices helps HR teams capture the signals that turn into the stories worth telling.

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Deborah Levine, A Forbes Top Diversity & Inclusion Trailblazer & Author
Episode 171
About This Episode
In this episode of Reimagining Company Culture, we’re chatting with Deborah Levine, A Forbes Top Diversity & Inclusion Trailblazer & Editor of The American Diversity Report, Award Winning Author. Deborah has 33 years experience in speaking, consulting, and coaching around cultural diversity. Tune in to learn Deborah’s thoughts on the matrix model management system, incorporating storytelling in the workplace, a "must have" for the next generation of leaders, and more!
About The Guest
A Forbes Top Diversity & Inclusion Trailblazer, Deborah is a Harvard-educated Diversity Futurist. She has 33 years experience in speaking, consulting, and coaching around cultural diversity. Her clients include healthcare organizations, universities, professional associations, and international industries. Born in Brooklyn with an Eastern European immigrant legacy, she was brought up in Bermuda. Deborah has lived, worked, and studied across the US, acquiring advanced degrees in cultural anthropology, religion, and urban planning. She's a pioneer by nature: was an IT manager (1980s) and founded multiple visionary projects: DuPage Interfaith Resource Network, Woman's Council on Diversity, Youth Multicultural Video Contest, and Global Leadersip Class. Headquartered in TN, she's coached international executives from Nissan, Volkswagen, Siemens, and International Paper to adapt to Southern culture. An award-winning author of 15 books, Deborah founded and has edited AmericanDiversityReport.com for 15 years. She invented the Matrix Model Management System, a cognitive technology for cross-cultural communication and implicit bias training based on cultural anthropology and urban planning. Her articles on cultural diversity are published in The Huffington Post, Harvard Divinity School Bulletin, The Christian Century, The Bermuda Magazine, The Journal of Public Management & Social Policy. She's currently an opinion columnist at The Chattanooga Times Free Press. Her expertise in management reflects her time as director of Jewish Federations and as Tulsa Federation’s community/media liaison shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing. A Holocaust educator, her memoir includes her father's WW II letters (US military intelligence officer trained at the secret Fort Ritchie and assigned to interrogate Nazi prisoners of war). She led the Media Team of Chattanooga’s Council Against Hate and developed a virtual Black-Jewish Dialogue that has gone global. Her interactive, storytelling-based methodology is designed to educate and engage diverse groups, promote inclusion, and improve emotional intelligence in decision making. Her education clients include: New York U., TN & AL Medical colleges, National Assoc. of Veterinarian Universities, TN, OK, & IL Public Schools, AL Fulbright Fellows, U. of TN at Chattanooga. Her recent workbook on Amazon: Un-bias Guide for Leaders can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Bias-Guide-Leaders-Unconscious-Conscious/dp/1720853878/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Episode Transcription

Deborah Levine, a Forbes Top Diversity and Inclusion Trailblazer and editor of the American Diversity Report, has spent more than three decades teaching organizations how to use story as an instrument of inclusion. Her work spans healthcare, universities, and global manufacturers, and the through line is that stories shape decisions long before policy does. The conversation focused on how HR leaders can put storytelling at the center of how they teach, recruit, and lead.

Stories are how humans make sense of difference. A statistic about representation lands abstractly. A first person account of what it felt like to be the only person who looked a certain way in a meeting lands in the body. The most consequential diversity work happens when leaders learn to tell, and listen to, stories with intention rather than improvisation.

HR leaders should think about storytelling as a competency to develop rather than a flourish to add. The teams that master it tend to also be the teams that act on bias more quickly and recover from missteps more credibly.

Why story is a tool for inclusion, not decoration

A well chosen story does three things at once. It builds empathy, it rewires assumptions, and it makes abstract values concrete. HBR research on storytelling at work shows that employees who hear leaders connect company purpose to lived examples are more likely to see their own contribution as meaningful.

Story is also how culture survives change. Policies get rewritten. Org charts get redrawn. The stories employees tell each other about what happened, who was treated fairly, and who was not, persist through every reorganization. HR leaders who shape that narrative thoughtfully shape culture itself. Deborah's matrix model approach is a reminder that the way a story is framed determines who feels included by it.

This is not the same as scripting talking points. Intentional storytelling depends on truth and specificity. AllVoices supports that practice through a DEI solution that helps teams collect signals worth telling stories about, and a survey product that uncovers themes employees can recognize.

Building a storytelling practice

Where do you find the right stories?

The right stories live in stay interviews, ERG meetings, exit conversations, and the after-action notes from incidents that did not go well. They rarely live in the highlights reel a marketing team would assemble. The work of an inclusive HR team is to listen for them, ask permission to share, and present them with context.

The bar for sharing is consent and relevance. Without consent, a story becomes extraction. Without relevance, it becomes performance. Both lower trust.

How do you avoid token storytelling?

Token storytelling reduces a person to a single trait. The fix is to tell more than one story, from more than one perspective, about more than one dimension of identity. Inclusion requires breadth as well as depth.

The second fix is to invite the storyteller into the framing. The person whose experience is being shared should help decide what gets emphasized and what stays private. That single move converts a presentation into a partnership.

What actually works

Train leaders to tell three kinds of stories

Leaders should be able to tell origin stories that explain how the company came to value what it values, friction stories that name a moment the company fell short, and direction stories that describe where the company intends to go. HBR research on the types of stories leaders need to tell outlines a similar framework that translates well to people work.

Each kind has a different function. Origin stories build identity. Friction stories build credibility. Direction stories build commitment. A leader who only tells one kind tends to lose audiences over time.

Use story to surface and disrupt bias

Bias hides in plain sight. The fastest way to expose it is a specific story that contradicts the assumption. A short narrative from someone who was passed over for a stretch assignment because their manager did not see the potential, told with care and consent, can move a leadership team further than any training deck. Pair the story with a discussion of unconscious bias patterns to give the moment a frame.

According to SHRM guidance on mitigating unconscious bias, sustained behavior change requires repeated exposure to counter examples. Stories are the most efficient form of that exposure.

Make stories part of how decisions are documented

Performance calibration sessions, promotion rounds, and incident reviews all benefit from narrative as well as data. A two sentence story about how an employee handled a conflict tells calibrators something a 1 to 5 rating cannot. Emotional intelligence shows up in those details.

The discipline is to keep the stories consistent in form. A short situation, a behavior, an impact. Anything longer becomes hagiography. Anything shorter loses the point.

Where Employee Relations Fits

Stories of inequity often surface through reports and concerns rather than through pulse surveys. AllVoices ties listening to action through an employee relations function that captures intake at the moment it happens and an anonymous reporting tool that lowers the cost for employees to share what they have seen or experienced.

Pattern recognition across reports

One employee story is a story. Five stories with similar contours are a pattern. ER teams that read across cases catch systemic bias sooner. The blog on where DEI goes next covers what that connection looks like in practice.

Frequently Asked Questions About Storytelling for Inclusion

Is storytelling a substitute for data?

No. Stories and data work together. Data shows the scope of an issue. Stories show the texture. Use both in any leadership presentation worth attending.

How do you protect storytellers from backlash?

Get explicit consent for what is shared and where, anonymize when requested, and have a follow up plan for the storyteller. The relationship after the share matters more than the share itself.

What if leaders are uncomfortable telling personal stories?

Start with company stories about mission and customer impact. Build the muscle. Personal stories follow once leaders see that vulnerability builds, rather than reduces, authority.

How often should you refresh the stock of stories?Quarterly. Stories that get repeated too often start to sound like marketing. New material keeps the practice honest.

What is the biggest risk of doing this badly?

Performative storytelling without follow up action. Employees notice immediately when the company tells a story about caring without doing the work that the story implies.

What's the first step for HR leaders who want to put this into practice?

Start with one team and one measurable outcome. Pick a function where the issue shows up sharply and a leader who is willing to model the new practice. Map the current state honestly: what is happening, who feels it, and what would good look like in ninety days. Share that picture with the team, ask them what is missing from your read, and adjust before launching anything formal. The goal of step one is alignment, not activity.

Once the picture is shared, pick two or three changes you can make inside one quarter. Resist the urge to launch a full program. Run the changes, measure the response with simple pulse questions, and report back. The combination of a focused team, a clear measure, and a public commitment to learn is what turns a good idea into a practice that spreads. HR leaders who try to launch everywhere at once usually end up launching nowhere.

Iterate from there. The teams that succeed treat the first cycle as a prototype, not a rollout. They keep what worked, drop what did not, and write down what they learned. By the time the practice expands to the next group, it has been pressure-tested by people who have a stake in seeing it work. That is the unglamorous work of putting any people-strategy idea into practice, and it is also the work that compounds.

The Bottom Line for HR Leaders

Deborah Levine is right that intentional storytelling sits at the center of inclusive practice. The discipline turns abstract values into specific behavior and gives leaders a way to teach without lecturing.

The mandate for HR leaders is to build a small, recurring story practice and integrate it into the moments where decisions get made. Promotion rounds, calibration sessions, leadership offsites, and ER reviews all benefit. A culture that knows its own stories, including the hard ones, is a culture that can change without losing itself.

See how AllVoices helps HR teams capture the signals that turn into the stories worth telling.

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