About This Episode
In this episode of Reimagining Company Culture, we’re chatting with Kamela Forbes, Global Director of Diversity & Inclusion at Pride Global. Kamela Forbes Matheson has been doing transformative work in the Diversity, Equity & Inclusion space for over 5 years. Tune in to learn Kamela’s thoughts on biases in performance management, celebrating & compensating ERG leaders, ensuring diverse backgrounds in candidates, and more!
About The Guest
Kamela Forbes Matheson has been doing transformative work in the Diversity, Equity & Inclusion space for over 5 years. She started as a diversity manager in the talent acquisition space helping clients diversity their talent pools. Later she moved into the learning and development space, creating and facilitating “Consciously Unbiased” learning experiences educating clients on mitigating bias and incorporating inclusive behaviors in efforts to compliment their talent acquisition strategy. She then decided to take her efforts global and now serves as the Global Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion at Pride Global where she ensures that the company stays at the forefront of the DE&I revolution through her implementation of “Decidedly Diverse” - a comprehensive DE&I strategy. Having graduated from The Kenan-Flagler Business School at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill as one of 2 minority students admitted in her class and working thereafter in the fashion industry as one of the handful of black models, Kamela understands firsthand the need for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in general and is committed to using her difference to make a difference.
Episode Breakdown

Most companies do not actually invest in their employees; they invest in the headline categories of investment. Training programs that get attended. Recognition platforms that get used. Career-development workshops that nobody promotes from. Kamela Forbes, Global Director of Diversity and Inclusion at Pride Global, makes the case on Reimagining Company Culture for treating recognition and investment as operational disciplines that have to produce measurable outcomes.

Kamela's career has spanned diversity recruiting, learning and development, and now global D&I leadership. The breadth informs her view: investment without measurement produces motion without outcomes. The companies that have moved equity numbers tend to share a discipline of measuring what they invested in and stopping the things that did not work.

Addressing Biases in Performance Management

Performance management is one of the highest-impact equity interventions available, and one of the most under-audited. Reviews tend to be written quickly, rated by individual managers, and calibrated lightly. Each step is a place where bias enters or gets corrected.

McKinsey research on diversity, equity, and inclusion consistently shows that companies with strong inclusion practices outperform peers, and the strongest correlations come from operational disciplines like calibration audits. Performance management is exactly that kind of discipline.

Celebrating and Compensating ERG Leaders

ERG leadership is often the most undercompensated work in the company. Hours of programming, mentoring, and unofficial culture-shaping go uncounted. Kamela's argument is that companies that fund ERG leadership produce sustained programs; companies that rely on volunteer-only models burn out their leaders.

The infrastructure has to support the funding. DEI programs that include funded ERG leadership produce different outcomes than ones that treat ERG work as a labor of love.

What Should ERG Leadership Compensation Look Like?

Stipends, formal performance credit, time allocations, and exec sponsorship. Each piece reinforces the others. Companies that fund all four produce sustained programs.

How Do You Measure the ROI of ERG Investment?

Retention by demographic, internal mobility for ERG members, recruiting funnel data, and engagement scores in affinity groups. The metrics tell the story.

Ensuring Diverse Backgrounds in Career Pipelines

Pipeline conversations get stuck because companies focus on hiring without addressing advancement. Kamela's framing pulls advancement to the center. The hiring funnel produces representation; the advancement funnel produces leadership representation. Both have to work.

The discipline matters. Talent management done well produces advancement that mirrors the workforce. Turnover rate by demographic is the diagnostic that surfaces differential attrition.

What Actually Works for Equity Investment

Run Calibration Audits With Demographic Analysis

Calibration sessions that surface demographic patterns produce different outcomes than sessions that do not. The audit trail matters for both legal protection and operational learning.

Fund ERG Leadership Stipends

Stipends signal that the work matters. Volunteer-only models signal that it does not. The signal travels.

Tie Sponsorship to Manager Performance

Sponsorship goals tied to manager scorecards produce different advancement outcomes than informal mentorship programs.

Where Employee Relations Fits

ER catches the cases that arise when investment fails. A DEI hotline creates a path for the cases that the formal HR channel will not capture. A purpose-built case management platform handles them with structure.

How AI Helps Surface Equity Patterns

Vera, the AllVoices AI co-pilot, surfaces patterns across cases that human investigators would miss. The patterns inform the next quarter's investment priorities.

Frequently Asked Questions About Equity Investment

What is the difference between recognition and investment?

Recognition acknowledges; investment changes the trajectory. Recognition is necessary but not sufficient. Investment without recognition produces resentment; recognition without investment produces cynicism.

How much should ERG leaders be paid?

Stipends ranging from a few thousand to ten thousand annually are common. The number matters less than the principle of paying for the work.

What is the right ratio of investment between recruiting and advancement?

For most companies, advancement is underfunded. Companies that have hired aggressively and not invested in advancement see representation decay. Investment should follow the diagnostic data.

How do you handle resistance to performance-management bias audits?

Frame the audit as legal-protection plus operational learning rather than punitive. Companies that frame it correctly find broad support. Companies that frame it as accusation produce resistance.

How does AI affect equity in performance management?

It can amplify or correct bias, depending on how it is designed. Companies using AI for performance management need explicit safeguards.

The Bottom Line for HR Leaders

Kamela's framing of recognition and investment as operational disciplines is the right altitude. Companies that invest measurably produce different equity outcomes than companies that announce investment without measuring it. The discipline is the work.

EEOC data on workplace sexual harassment continues to show that the formal cases visible to most companies are a fraction of what is happening. Equity investment that operates without an embedded ER infrastructure misses the patterns that matter.

How These Disciplines Hold Up at Different Company Sizes

The operational disciplines described here scale differently across organization sizes. Mid-market companies tend to feel the pressure first because they are growing past the informal practices that worked at smaller scale. Enterprise companies feel the pressure differently: their existing infrastructure is solid, but it can ossify around legacy patterns that no longer serve a modern workforce. Both face the same underlying challenge of balancing structure with humanity.

The pattern that holds across sizes is that the work is operational rather than aspirational. Companies that treat the people function as a real operating discipline produce different retention, engagement, and case-resolution outcomes than companies that treat it as a soft function. Talent management done with operational rigor produces compounding returns that announcement-driven approaches never match.

The compounding effect of consistent operational discipline shows up in the data over multi-year horizons. Companies that have built the infrastructure tend to see improving retention, faster issue resolution, and steadier engagement scores year over year. The investment is unglamorous; the cumulative outcome is significant for any people team measuring real business impact.

The patterns that travel across companies share a common feature: they treat the work as a multi-year operational discipline rather than a quarterly campaign. Companies that have done this consistently produce retention curves that diverge from peer-group averages within three to four years. The investment is significant, the returns are durable, and the cost of skipping the work is paid in attrition, lost institutional knowledge, and the eventual scramble to rebuild what could have been preserved with consistent attention.

The discipline also produces second-order effects that compound. ER cases tend to drop in volume as upstream interventions take hold. Engagement scores stabilize across business units that previously diverged. Internal mobility broadens because the people who would have left now stay long enough to advance. Each second-order effect feeds back into the first-order numbers, which is why the operational version of this work compounds while the announcement version dissipates.

The lessons described here also carry into adjacent industries and contexts. Mid-market firms experiencing rapid growth, enterprise organizations rebuilding their operating models, and globally distributed teams adapting to new regulatory environments all benefit from the same operational disciplines. The execution varies by context; the underlying principle holds across them.

The cumulative weight of consistent investment in recognition and equity work shows up in the data three to four years after the discipline begins. Companies that have done this work see promotion rates close, retention by demographic flatten toward the workforce average, and engagement scores in affinity groups stabilize. The lag is real, the compounding is real, and patience tends to be the rare resource that determines whether a program produces those outcomes.

See how AllVoices supports HR and DEI teams who want to invest in equity with operational rigor.

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Investing in Recognizing and Investing in Employees with Kamela Forbes, Global Director of Diversity & Inclusion at Pride Global
Episode 390
About This Episode
In this episode of Reimagining Company Culture, we’re chatting with Kamela Forbes, Global Director of Diversity & Inclusion at Pride Global. Kamela Forbes Matheson has been doing transformative work in the Diversity, Equity & Inclusion space for over 5 years. Tune in to learn Kamela’s thoughts on biases in performance management, celebrating & compensating ERG leaders, ensuring diverse backgrounds in candidates, and more!
About The Guest
Kamela Forbes Matheson has been doing transformative work in the Diversity, Equity & Inclusion space for over 5 years. She started as a diversity manager in the talent acquisition space helping clients diversity their talent pools. Later she moved into the learning and development space, creating and facilitating “Consciously Unbiased” learning experiences educating clients on mitigating bias and incorporating inclusive behaviors in efforts to compliment their talent acquisition strategy. She then decided to take her efforts global and now serves as the Global Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion at Pride Global where she ensures that the company stays at the forefront of the DE&I revolution through her implementation of “Decidedly Diverse” - a comprehensive DE&I strategy. Having graduated from The Kenan-Flagler Business School at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill as one of 2 minority students admitted in her class and working thereafter in the fashion industry as one of the handful of black models, Kamela understands firsthand the need for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in general and is committed to using her difference to make a difference.
Episode Transcription

Most companies do not actually invest in their employees; they invest in the headline categories of investment. Training programs that get attended. Recognition platforms that get used. Career-development workshops that nobody promotes from. Kamela Forbes, Global Director of Diversity and Inclusion at Pride Global, makes the case on Reimagining Company Culture for treating recognition and investment as operational disciplines that have to produce measurable outcomes.

Kamela's career has spanned diversity recruiting, learning and development, and now global D&I leadership. The breadth informs her view: investment without measurement produces motion without outcomes. The companies that have moved equity numbers tend to share a discipline of measuring what they invested in and stopping the things that did not work.

Addressing Biases in Performance Management

Performance management is one of the highest-impact equity interventions available, and one of the most under-audited. Reviews tend to be written quickly, rated by individual managers, and calibrated lightly. Each step is a place where bias enters or gets corrected.

McKinsey research on diversity, equity, and inclusion consistently shows that companies with strong inclusion practices outperform peers, and the strongest correlations come from operational disciplines like calibration audits. Performance management is exactly that kind of discipline.

Celebrating and Compensating ERG Leaders

ERG leadership is often the most undercompensated work in the company. Hours of programming, mentoring, and unofficial culture-shaping go uncounted. Kamela's argument is that companies that fund ERG leadership produce sustained programs; companies that rely on volunteer-only models burn out their leaders.

The infrastructure has to support the funding. DEI programs that include funded ERG leadership produce different outcomes than ones that treat ERG work as a labor of love.

What Should ERG Leadership Compensation Look Like?

Stipends, formal performance credit, time allocations, and exec sponsorship. Each piece reinforces the others. Companies that fund all four produce sustained programs.

How Do You Measure the ROI of ERG Investment?

Retention by demographic, internal mobility for ERG members, recruiting funnel data, and engagement scores in affinity groups. The metrics tell the story.

Ensuring Diverse Backgrounds in Career Pipelines

Pipeline conversations get stuck because companies focus on hiring without addressing advancement. Kamela's framing pulls advancement to the center. The hiring funnel produces representation; the advancement funnel produces leadership representation. Both have to work.

The discipline matters. Talent management done well produces advancement that mirrors the workforce. Turnover rate by demographic is the diagnostic that surfaces differential attrition.

What Actually Works for Equity Investment

Run Calibration Audits With Demographic Analysis

Calibration sessions that surface demographic patterns produce different outcomes than sessions that do not. The audit trail matters for both legal protection and operational learning.

Fund ERG Leadership Stipends

Stipends signal that the work matters. Volunteer-only models signal that it does not. The signal travels.

Tie Sponsorship to Manager Performance

Sponsorship goals tied to manager scorecards produce different advancement outcomes than informal mentorship programs.

Where Employee Relations Fits

ER catches the cases that arise when investment fails. A DEI hotline creates a path for the cases that the formal HR channel will not capture. A purpose-built case management platform handles them with structure.

How AI Helps Surface Equity Patterns

Vera, the AllVoices AI co-pilot, surfaces patterns across cases that human investigators would miss. The patterns inform the next quarter's investment priorities.

Frequently Asked Questions About Equity Investment

What is the difference between recognition and investment?

Recognition acknowledges; investment changes the trajectory. Recognition is necessary but not sufficient. Investment without recognition produces resentment; recognition without investment produces cynicism.

How much should ERG leaders be paid?

Stipends ranging from a few thousand to ten thousand annually are common. The number matters less than the principle of paying for the work.

What is the right ratio of investment between recruiting and advancement?

For most companies, advancement is underfunded. Companies that have hired aggressively and not invested in advancement see representation decay. Investment should follow the diagnostic data.

How do you handle resistance to performance-management bias audits?

Frame the audit as legal-protection plus operational learning rather than punitive. Companies that frame it correctly find broad support. Companies that frame it as accusation produce resistance.

How does AI affect equity in performance management?

It can amplify or correct bias, depending on how it is designed. Companies using AI for performance management need explicit safeguards.

The Bottom Line for HR Leaders

Kamela's framing of recognition and investment as operational disciplines is the right altitude. Companies that invest measurably produce different equity outcomes than companies that announce investment without measuring it. The discipline is the work.

EEOC data on workplace sexual harassment continues to show that the formal cases visible to most companies are a fraction of what is happening. Equity investment that operates without an embedded ER infrastructure misses the patterns that matter.

How These Disciplines Hold Up at Different Company Sizes

The operational disciplines described here scale differently across organization sizes. Mid-market companies tend to feel the pressure first because they are growing past the informal practices that worked at smaller scale. Enterprise companies feel the pressure differently: their existing infrastructure is solid, but it can ossify around legacy patterns that no longer serve a modern workforce. Both face the same underlying challenge of balancing structure with humanity.

The pattern that holds across sizes is that the work is operational rather than aspirational. Companies that treat the people function as a real operating discipline produce different retention, engagement, and case-resolution outcomes than companies that treat it as a soft function. Talent management done with operational rigor produces compounding returns that announcement-driven approaches never match.

The compounding effect of consistent operational discipline shows up in the data over multi-year horizons. Companies that have built the infrastructure tend to see improving retention, faster issue resolution, and steadier engagement scores year over year. The investment is unglamorous; the cumulative outcome is significant for any people team measuring real business impact.

The patterns that travel across companies share a common feature: they treat the work as a multi-year operational discipline rather than a quarterly campaign. Companies that have done this consistently produce retention curves that diverge from peer-group averages within three to four years. The investment is significant, the returns are durable, and the cost of skipping the work is paid in attrition, lost institutional knowledge, and the eventual scramble to rebuild what could have been preserved with consistent attention.

The discipline also produces second-order effects that compound. ER cases tend to drop in volume as upstream interventions take hold. Engagement scores stabilize across business units that previously diverged. Internal mobility broadens because the people who would have left now stay long enough to advance. Each second-order effect feeds back into the first-order numbers, which is why the operational version of this work compounds while the announcement version dissipates.

The lessons described here also carry into adjacent industries and contexts. Mid-market firms experiencing rapid growth, enterprise organizations rebuilding their operating models, and globally distributed teams adapting to new regulatory environments all benefit from the same operational disciplines. The execution varies by context; the underlying principle holds across them.

The cumulative weight of consistent investment in recognition and equity work shows up in the data three to four years after the discipline begins. Companies that have done this work see promotion rates close, retention by demographic flatten toward the workforce average, and engagement scores in affinity groups stabilize. The lag is real, the compounding is real, and patience tends to be the rare resource that determines whether a program produces those outcomes.

See how AllVoices supports HR and DEI teams who want to invest in equity with operational rigor.

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