About This Episode
In this episode of Reimagining Company Culture, we’re chatting with Rachel Williams, Vice President of People at DermTech. Rachel brings two decades of experience across human resources with areas of expertise in HR transformation, talent development, and employee experience. Tune in to learn Rachel’s thoughts on the adoption of radical flexibility, showing up for the full lives of employees, offering something unique to employees, and more!
About The Guest
Rachel is Vice President, People at DermTech and is responsible for leading the People (HR) function through the company’s early-stage growth. Leading with a mantra of “more human at work”, Rachel brings two decades of experience across human resources with areas of expertise in HR transformation, talent development, and employee experience. Rachel loves working at DermTech because of its pioneering, life-saving technology in early skin cancer detection … and because of the people that she works with each day to rally around the company’s mission. Before joining DermTech, Rachel was the Sr. Director Talent at Dexcom where she led the evolution of much of the HR function through massive growth and transformation. Rachel received a bachelor’s degree in International Business from Marquette University and her coaching accreditation from the International Coach Federation. She is a student of mindfulness meditation and has completed an 8-week MBSR course and is set to begin a 2-year teaching credential with Tara Brach and Jack Kornfield. Rachel lives in Carlsbad, CA with her two amazing kiddos, Ethan and Emma.
Episode Breakdown

Burnout is the leading cause of attrition that companies do not see until it is too late. Rachel Williams, Vice President of People at DermTech, has spent two decades trying to make HR more human. Her conversation on Reimagining Company Culture lays out the practical work of preventing burnout in early-stage companies, where the pressure to grow tends to produce exactly the conditions that burn people out.

Rachel's mantra of "more human at work" is not a soft framing. It is the operational discipline of building benefits, policies, and management practices around the actual lives of employees. The companies that have built this kind of HR produce different retention numbers than the ones that bolted wellness programs onto an unchanged operating cadence.

Why Burnout Is a Structural Problem, Not a Personal One

SHRM research on workplace burnout found that 44% of US employees feel burned out at work, with workloads, compensation, and poor leadership ranking as the top three drivers. The pattern is structural. Burnout is what employees feel; the conditions producing it are operational.

That framing matters because the wrong response is to ask employees to manage their burnout better. The right response is to fix the conditions. Workload distribution, manager training, career clarity, and operating cadence are the levers that actually reduce burnout volume.

Adopting Radical Flexibility as a Burnout Prevention Strategy

Rachel's argument is that radical flexibility, done right, prevents burnout. Done wrong, it accelerates it. Flexibility without trust produces the worst kind of guilt: employees who feel they cannot use the flexibility offered. Flexibility with trust produces the energy required to sustain demanding work.

Deloitte research on workplace trust found that nearly 30% of professionals will not use available flexible work options because they fear consequences to their careers. The flexibility exists on paper. The trust to use it does not. Closing that gap is the work.

What Does "Showing Up for the Full Lives of Employees" Mean?

It means recognizing that employees have lives beyond the company and designing for them. Caregiver leave, mental health support, financial coaching, and time-off policies that survive quarterly pressure. Wellness programs done well include all four, not just gym discounts.

How Do You Tell If Burnout Is Building?

Sick day usage trends. PTO accrual patterns. Skip-level engagement scores. ER case patterns around specific managers or business units. Each signal is worth investigating.

Designing Benefits That Actually Reduce Burnout

Benefits packages are full of items that nobody uses. The discipline is to design benefits that reduce burnout for the actual workforce. Voluntary benefits matter when they fit. Standard benefits matter when they are used.

The infrastructure has to support the use. Manager training that respects time off. Operating cadence that fits with caregiver schedules. Public commitment to mental health that survives a stressful quarter.

What Actually Works for Burnout Prevention

Reduce Workload at the Source

Workload reduction is the single highest-impact intervention. Most burnout-prevention programs in employee engagement treat the symptom rather than the cause. The companies that reduce workload at the source see different attrition curves.

Train Managers on Burnout Detection

Managers are the leading indicator. Training on early signs, conversation scripts, and escalation paths produces different outcomes than wellness app rollouts.

Build Real Time-Off Norms

Time off that goes unused is a failure of the time-off policy, not a feature of dedicated employees. Norms that include leadership modeling produce different usage patterns.

Where Employee Relations Fits

ER catches the burnout cases that prevention missed. A purpose-built case management platform handles the formal cases. Pattern data feeds back into the prevention strategy.

How AI Helps the People Team Reduce Burnout

Vera, the AllVoices AI co-pilot, surfaces patterns across cases that inform where the next workload intervention should go. The pattern data drives the prevention work.

Frequently Asked Questions About Burnout Prevention

What is the difference between stress and burnout?

Stress is acute and recoverable. Burnout is chronic and produces disengagement, cynicism, and reduced performance. The distinction matters for diagnosis and intervention.

How long does it take to recover from burnout?

Months at minimum, sometimes years. The recovery period is much longer than the prevention investment, which is why prevention is the right place to invest.

What are the top drivers of burnout in early-stage companies?

Unclear roles, uneven workload distribution, poor management, and insufficient career clarity. Each compounds the others.

Should companies offer unlimited PTO?

Only with the operating norms to support real usage. Unlimited PTO without leadership modeling produces lower usage than capped policies, which is the opposite of the intent.

How do you handle a manager whose team is consistently burned out?

Coaching first, structural change second, role change third. The team's burnout is rarely individual; it usually points at the manager or the operating model.

How DermTech and Other Early-Stage Companies Build Burnout Prevention Into Operations

Early-stage companies have particular burnout dynamics. The pressure to grow tends to produce uneven workloads, ambiguous roles, and manager promotions that come faster than manager development. Rachel's approach is to bake burnout prevention into the operating cadence from the beginning: workload reviews, manager training cohorts, mental health benefits paired with leadership modeling, and ER capacity that catches the cases prevention missed.

The economic case for prevention is compelling. The cost of a single burned-out senior contributor leaving is significantly higher than the cost of the prevention program that would have kept them. Companies that have done the math invest accordingly. Work-life balance as an operational discipline rather than a benefits perk produces different retention curves over a multi-year horizon.

The Bottom Line for HR Leaders

Rachel's framing of burnout as a structural problem is the right altitude. The fix is operational: workload distribution, manager training, real flexibility paired with real trust, and a benefits package designed for the actual workforce.

Gallup's State of the Global Workplace report shows that manager engagement itself dropped meaningfully between 2024 and 2025. The decline at the manager line predicts the decline at the team line. Companies that invest upstream in manager wellbeing produce different downstream outcomes for the workforce.

The compounding effect of burnout prevention shows up in retention curves that diverge from peers within two to three years. The companies that have done this well are not surprised by the data; they built the conditions that produced it.

The infrastructure piece is what most companies underbuild. Burnout prevention requires operational visibility into workload, manager quality, and case patterns. Without that visibility, prevention becomes guesswork. The companies that have invested in the data infrastructure produce different outcomes than the ones that rely on annual surveys to surface what is already a crisis by the time it appears in the data.

The pattern also extends to senior leaders, who tend to model the burnout norms for the rest of the company. Leadership that visibly takes time off, sets boundaries, and refuses to glorify overwork produces different cultural norms than leadership that announces work-life balance while modeling the opposite. Talent management done well includes deliberate attention to senior leader sustainability.

The compounding effect of these operational disciplines shows up in the data over multi-year horizons. Companies that have built the infrastructure tend to see improving retention, faster issue resolution, and steadier engagement scores year over year. The investment is operational rather than dramatic, but the cumulative outcome is significant for any people team measuring real business impact.

See how AllVoices supports people teams who want to prevent burnout with real operational infrastructure.

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Preventing Burnout with Rachel Williams, Vice President of People at DermTech
Episode 366
About This Episode
In this episode of Reimagining Company Culture, we’re chatting with Rachel Williams, Vice President of People at DermTech. Rachel brings two decades of experience across human resources with areas of expertise in HR transformation, talent development, and employee experience. Tune in to learn Rachel’s thoughts on the adoption of radical flexibility, showing up for the full lives of employees, offering something unique to employees, and more!
About The Guest
Rachel is Vice President, People at DermTech and is responsible for leading the People (HR) function through the company’s early-stage growth. Leading with a mantra of “more human at work”, Rachel brings two decades of experience across human resources with areas of expertise in HR transformation, talent development, and employee experience. Rachel loves working at DermTech because of its pioneering, life-saving technology in early skin cancer detection … and because of the people that she works with each day to rally around the company’s mission. Before joining DermTech, Rachel was the Sr. Director Talent at Dexcom where she led the evolution of much of the HR function through massive growth and transformation. Rachel received a bachelor’s degree in International Business from Marquette University and her coaching accreditation from the International Coach Federation. She is a student of mindfulness meditation and has completed an 8-week MBSR course and is set to begin a 2-year teaching credential with Tara Brach and Jack Kornfield. Rachel lives in Carlsbad, CA with her two amazing kiddos, Ethan and Emma.
Episode Transcription

Burnout is the leading cause of attrition that companies do not see until it is too late. Rachel Williams, Vice President of People at DermTech, has spent two decades trying to make HR more human. Her conversation on Reimagining Company Culture lays out the practical work of preventing burnout in early-stage companies, where the pressure to grow tends to produce exactly the conditions that burn people out.

Rachel's mantra of "more human at work" is not a soft framing. It is the operational discipline of building benefits, policies, and management practices around the actual lives of employees. The companies that have built this kind of HR produce different retention numbers than the ones that bolted wellness programs onto an unchanged operating cadence.

Why Burnout Is a Structural Problem, Not a Personal One

SHRM research on workplace burnout found that 44% of US employees feel burned out at work, with workloads, compensation, and poor leadership ranking as the top three drivers. The pattern is structural. Burnout is what employees feel; the conditions producing it are operational.

That framing matters because the wrong response is to ask employees to manage their burnout better. The right response is to fix the conditions. Workload distribution, manager training, career clarity, and operating cadence are the levers that actually reduce burnout volume.

Adopting Radical Flexibility as a Burnout Prevention Strategy

Rachel's argument is that radical flexibility, done right, prevents burnout. Done wrong, it accelerates it. Flexibility without trust produces the worst kind of guilt: employees who feel they cannot use the flexibility offered. Flexibility with trust produces the energy required to sustain demanding work.

Deloitte research on workplace trust found that nearly 30% of professionals will not use available flexible work options because they fear consequences to their careers. The flexibility exists on paper. The trust to use it does not. Closing that gap is the work.

What Does "Showing Up for the Full Lives of Employees" Mean?

It means recognizing that employees have lives beyond the company and designing for them. Caregiver leave, mental health support, financial coaching, and time-off policies that survive quarterly pressure. Wellness programs done well include all four, not just gym discounts.

How Do You Tell If Burnout Is Building?

Sick day usage trends. PTO accrual patterns. Skip-level engagement scores. ER case patterns around specific managers or business units. Each signal is worth investigating.

Designing Benefits That Actually Reduce Burnout

Benefits packages are full of items that nobody uses. The discipline is to design benefits that reduce burnout for the actual workforce. Voluntary benefits matter when they fit. Standard benefits matter when they are used.

The infrastructure has to support the use. Manager training that respects time off. Operating cadence that fits with caregiver schedules. Public commitment to mental health that survives a stressful quarter.

What Actually Works for Burnout Prevention

Reduce Workload at the Source

Workload reduction is the single highest-impact intervention. Most burnout-prevention programs in employee engagement treat the symptom rather than the cause. The companies that reduce workload at the source see different attrition curves.

Train Managers on Burnout Detection

Managers are the leading indicator. Training on early signs, conversation scripts, and escalation paths produces different outcomes than wellness app rollouts.

Build Real Time-Off Norms

Time off that goes unused is a failure of the time-off policy, not a feature of dedicated employees. Norms that include leadership modeling produce different usage patterns.

Where Employee Relations Fits

ER catches the burnout cases that prevention missed. A purpose-built case management platform handles the formal cases. Pattern data feeds back into the prevention strategy.

How AI Helps the People Team Reduce Burnout

Vera, the AllVoices AI co-pilot, surfaces patterns across cases that inform where the next workload intervention should go. The pattern data drives the prevention work.

Frequently Asked Questions About Burnout Prevention

What is the difference between stress and burnout?

Stress is acute and recoverable. Burnout is chronic and produces disengagement, cynicism, and reduced performance. The distinction matters for diagnosis and intervention.

How long does it take to recover from burnout?

Months at minimum, sometimes years. The recovery period is much longer than the prevention investment, which is why prevention is the right place to invest.

What are the top drivers of burnout in early-stage companies?

Unclear roles, uneven workload distribution, poor management, and insufficient career clarity. Each compounds the others.

Should companies offer unlimited PTO?

Only with the operating norms to support real usage. Unlimited PTO without leadership modeling produces lower usage than capped policies, which is the opposite of the intent.

How do you handle a manager whose team is consistently burned out?

Coaching first, structural change second, role change third. The team's burnout is rarely individual; it usually points at the manager or the operating model.

How DermTech and Other Early-Stage Companies Build Burnout Prevention Into Operations

Early-stage companies have particular burnout dynamics. The pressure to grow tends to produce uneven workloads, ambiguous roles, and manager promotions that come faster than manager development. Rachel's approach is to bake burnout prevention into the operating cadence from the beginning: workload reviews, manager training cohorts, mental health benefits paired with leadership modeling, and ER capacity that catches the cases prevention missed.

The economic case for prevention is compelling. The cost of a single burned-out senior contributor leaving is significantly higher than the cost of the prevention program that would have kept them. Companies that have done the math invest accordingly. Work-life balance as an operational discipline rather than a benefits perk produces different retention curves over a multi-year horizon.

The Bottom Line for HR Leaders

Rachel's framing of burnout as a structural problem is the right altitude. The fix is operational: workload distribution, manager training, real flexibility paired with real trust, and a benefits package designed for the actual workforce.

Gallup's State of the Global Workplace report shows that manager engagement itself dropped meaningfully between 2024 and 2025. The decline at the manager line predicts the decline at the team line. Companies that invest upstream in manager wellbeing produce different downstream outcomes for the workforce.

The compounding effect of burnout prevention shows up in retention curves that diverge from peers within two to three years. The companies that have done this well are not surprised by the data; they built the conditions that produced it.

The infrastructure piece is what most companies underbuild. Burnout prevention requires operational visibility into workload, manager quality, and case patterns. Without that visibility, prevention becomes guesswork. The companies that have invested in the data infrastructure produce different outcomes than the ones that rely on annual surveys to surface what is already a crisis by the time it appears in the data.

The pattern also extends to senior leaders, who tend to model the burnout norms for the rest of the company. Leadership that visibly takes time off, sets boundaries, and refuses to glorify overwork produces different cultural norms than leadership that announces work-life balance while modeling the opposite. Talent management done well includes deliberate attention to senior leader sustainability.

The compounding effect of these operational disciplines shows up in the data over multi-year horizons. Companies that have built the infrastructure tend to see improving retention, faster issue resolution, and steadier engagement scores year over year. The investment is operational rather than dramatic, but the cumulative outcome is significant for any people team measuring real business impact.

See how AllVoices supports people teams who want to prevent burnout with real operational infrastructure.

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